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Date format[edit]

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Could someone please change the date format in the template to dmy? It generally goes better with Russia-related articles.

Thanks

HandsomeFella (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can, assuming there are no objections in a couple of days.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If there are, we could add a parameter to the template, so articles transcluding it can choose dmy, and then put the dates in the template inside {{date}}, while passing the parameter on. To preserve the status quo, the default could be mdy. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:25, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done Most of the dates should have been dmy since they were translations. I changed the last one (in |date=) for consistency. — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why the access-date parameter was added. Now no dates appear in transcluding articles. Shouldn't the access-date be when the source in the template was checked by the person editing the template? HandsomeFella (talk) 21:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

|access-date= should be set in individual articles. access-date: Full date when the content pointed to by url was last verified to support the text in the article — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@JJMC89: I don't follow. The access-date is when the source was checked, right? That's done by the person updating the link to the source in this template. Just adding the template to an article doesn't necessarily mean that you check the sources in it. You want the content, and expect the source to be checked. You may not even be aware that there is an access-date.

Also, if the source is checked by the person editing the template, that will automatically be visible in all articles already transcluding the template, which is good, isn't it?

I think you've it backwards. If you remove the access-date parameter, and restore the original access-dates – when the respective sources were actually checked – in the template, formatted as per the df parameter, I think it will work just fine.

HandsomeFella (talk) 22:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No. As quoted above, the access date is the date the source was verified as supporting the article content. That cannot be done by the template editor since different facts are being supported in different articles. Just adding the template to an article doesn't necessarily mean that you check the sources in it. You should be checking that the source that you are citing supports the information that you claim it does. The access date is when you do this. — JJMC89 (T·C) 22:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No. The whole purpose of a template is to keep, and maintain, data that is used in many places, in a single place. This is just about being practical; to reduce the effort. If the data is checked, then, similarly, it's checked for all and any transcluding articles. It's not checked for one transcluding article and unchecked for another.

One effect would be that the person adding new data and sources would not be responsible for checking them, while the editors of all transcluding articles would unknowingly be responsible.

Do you really mean that people who update the template should go around and update the date of transclusion – which is what it will actually turn into? That would be crazy.

HandsomeFella (talk) 22:38, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Re-opening this to get more input. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:38, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

re-closing....

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. Cabayi (talk) 14:22, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I was trying to do. But I give up. I don't care. Removing it from my watchlist. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HandsomeFella, Unfortunately that's not what you actually did. Resetting the flag just adds the request to Category:Wikipedia template-protected edit requests & User:AnomieBOT/TPERTable which isn't necessary for the discussion to continue. Keeping the request open when there isn't yet an actionable request in place pretty much ensures that the outcome will be overlooked for days after the conclusion of the discussion. The template talk pages are pretty obscure places for discussion. It's often useful to solicit input (in a neutral way) at the talk pages of any related projects - Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia in this case. If, however, you want to throw your toys out of the pram, that is your prerogative. Cabayi (talk) 15:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Script-title[edit]

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Per Template:Cite web doc, this template should use |script-title=ru: instead of |title=, and |script-work=ru: instead of |work=. I'll make a template edit request soon if this has not been done and is unopposed. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:07, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please change all instances of |title= to |script-title=ru: and |work= to |script-work=ru:. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:38, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done –Fredddie ™ 05:13, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2020 (2021 really, but officially still named "2020 census") census[edit]

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Please insert the following code after "2019est" line

|2020census
|2021census={{cite web|author=Russian Federal State Statistics Service|publisher=[[Russian Federal State Statistics Service|Federal State Statistics Service]]|url=https://rosstat.gov.ru/vpn_popul|script-title=ru:Всероссийская перепись населения 2020 года. Том 1|trans-title=2020 All-Russian Population Census, vol. 1|language=Russian|format=XLS|access-date={{{access-date|}}}|df={{{df|}}}}}

Bests, Seryo93 (talk) 17:35, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 17:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Link to 2021 census data is dead[edit]

The link for the 2021/2020 census data goes to a 404 error page, and actually appears to have been this way since mid-2023. This needs to be fixed, bc it has made possibly thousands of refs in articles unverifiable. I can't edit the page myself, so can an admin add in a working archive or live link? HappyWith (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Ymblanter (talk) 21:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 24 April 2024[edit]

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This template generates several links in the form publisher=[[Russian Federal State Statistics Service|Federal State Statistics Service]]. However the target is itself a redirect. Please change these piped links to pipe directly to Federal State Statistics Service (Russia). Colonies Chris (talk) 10:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Colonies Chris (talk) 12:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]